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Frozen in indifference: Life goes on around body found in vacant Detroit warehouse
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News

DETROIT -- This city has not always been a gentle place, but a series of events over the past few, frigid days causes one to wonder how cold the collective heart has grown.

It starts with a phone call made by a man who said his friend found a dead body in the elevator shaft of an abandoned building on the city's west side.

"He's encased in ice, except his legs, which are sticking out like Popsicle sticks," the caller phoned to tell this reporter.

"Why didn't your friend call the police?"

"He was trespassing and didn't want to get in trouble," the caller replied. As it happens, the caller's friend is an urban explorer who gets thrills rummaging through and photographing the ruins of Detroit. It turns out that this explorer last week was playing hockey with a group of other explorers on the frozen waters that had collected in the basement of the building. None of the men called the police, the explorer said. They, in fact, continued their hockey game.

Before calling the police, this reporter went to check on the tip, skeptical of a hoax. Sure enough, in the well of the cargo elevator, two feet jutted out above the ice. Closer inspection revealed that the rest of the body was encased in 2-3 feet of ice, the body prostrate, suspended into the ice like a porpoising walrus.

The hem of a beige jacket could be made out, as could the cuffs of blue jeans. The socks were relatively clean and white. The left shoe was worn at the heel but carried fresh laces. Adding to the macabre and incongruous scene was a pillow that gently propped up the left foot of the corpse. It looked almost peaceful.

What happened to this person, one wonders? Murder in Motown is a definite possibility. Perhaps it was death by alcoholic stupor. Perhaps the person was crawling around in the elevator shaft trying to retrieve some metal that he could sell at a scrap yard. In any event, there the person was. Stone-cold dead.

A symbol of decay

The building is known as the Roosevelt Warehouse, once belonging to the Detroit Public Schools as a book repository. Located near 14th Street and Michigan Avenue, the warehouse burned in 1987 and caused something of a scandal as thousands of books, scissors, footballs and crayons were left to rot while Detroit schoolchildren -- some of the poorest children in the country -- went without supplies.

The building was eventually sold to Matty Moroun, the trucking and real estate mogul who is worth billions of dollars and is the largest private property owner in the state of Michigan. Among other properties, Moroun owns the decrepit Michigan Central Rail Depot that squats directly next to the warehouse. The train station has become the symbol of Detroit's decay. Like much of his property in southwestern Detroit, Moroun's warehouse and the train station are gaping sores.

The warehouse is so easily accessible, a person in a wheelchair could get in with little effort. There are holes in the fence and in the side entrance. The elevator shaft is wide open. It appears no one has ever tried to close the bay doors.

A colony of homeless men live in the warehouse. Wednesday morning a few fires were burning inside oil drums. Scott Ruben, 38, huddled under filthy blankets not 20 paces from the elevator shaft.

"Yeah, I seen him," Ruben said. The snow outside howled. The heat from the can warped the landscape of rotting buildings and razor wire.

Did he know who the dead person was?

"I don't recognize him from his shoes."

Did he call the police?

"No, I figured someone else did," he said.

"There's lots of people coming through here with cameras and cell phones. I don't got no phone. I don't got no quarter. Things is tight around here."

His shack mate, Kenneth Williams, 47, returned at that point with an armload of wood.

"Yeah, he's been down there since last month at least."

He was asked if he called the police.

"No, I thought it was a dummy myself," he said unconvincingly. Besides, Williams said, there were more pressing issues like keeping warm and finding something to eat.

"You got a couple bucks?" he asked.

Waiting for a response

There are at least 19,000 homeless people in Detroit, by some estimates. Put another way, more than 1 in 50 people here are homeless.

The human problem is so bad, and the beds so few, that some shelters in the city provide only a chair. The chair is yours as long as you sit in it. Once you leave, the chair is reassigned.

Thousands of down-on-their-luck adults do nothing more with their day than clutch onto a chair. This passes for normal in some quarters of the city.

"I hate that musical chair game," Ruben said. He said he'd rather live next to a corpse.

Convinced that it was indeed a body, this reporter made a discreet call to a police officer.

"Aw, just give 911 a call," the cop said. "We'll be called eventually."

A call was placed to 911. A woman answered. She was told it was a reporter calling. The operator tried to follow, but seemed confused. "Where is this building?"

She promised to contact the appropriate authorities.

Twenty minutes or so went by when 911 called the newsroom. This time it was a man.

"Where's this building?"

It was explained to him, as was the elevator shaft and the tomb of ice.

"Bring a jack-hammer," this reporter suggested.

"That's what we do," he said.

Nearly 24 hours went by. The elevator shaft was still a gaping wound. There was no crime scene tape. The homeless continued to burn their fires. City schoolchildren still do not have the necessary books to learn. The train station continues to crumble. Too many homicides still go unsolved.

After another two calls to 911 on Wednesday afternoon (one of which was disconnected), the Detroit Fire Department called and agreed to meet nearby.

Capt. Emma McDonald was on the scene.

"Every time I think I've seen it all, I see this," she said.

And with that they went about the work of recovering a person who might otherwise be waiting for the warm winds of spring.

You can reach Charlie LeDuff at (313) 222-2620 or charlie@detnews.com.

The body of an unidentified man lies partially submerged in the ice at the bottom of an elevator shaft of the abandoned Roosevelt Warehouse, once used by the Detroit Public Schools as a book repository, Tuesday Jan. 27, 2009. Detroit News reporter Charlie LeDuff received a tip about the body and went to investigate. He reported it to the police in a 911 call. After nearly 24 hours and two more calls to 911, the Fire Department came to investigate and tried to free the corpse.
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Scott Ruben, 38, one of the homeless men living in the building, had noticed the body for weeks but didn't report it.
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Ruben tries to keep warm near a fire in an oil drum not 20 paces from the elevator shaft where the body lay frozen.
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Ruben was asked if he knew who the dead person was. "I don't recognize him from his shoes," he said.
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An unidentified man checks out the open elevator shaft in the warehouse.
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The open elevator shaft in the abandoned warehouse. The building is owned by Matty Moroun, the billionaire trucking and real estate mogul who also owns the Ambassador Bridge and the decrepit Michigan Central Rail Depot next to the warehouse.
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A tip about the body came after a group of explorers playing hockey where frozen water had collected in the basement. The warehouse burned in 1987 and caused something of a scandal as thousands of books, scissors, footballs and crayons were left to rot while Detroit schoolchildren - some of the poorest children in the country - went without supplies.
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Kenneth Williams, 47, said the body had been there at least a month.
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Williams warms his hands over a fire. He did not call the police about the body.
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Detroit EMS, fire and police crews gather at the open elevator shaft before they try to extricate the frozen body on Wednesday, Jan. 28.
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Detroit fire crews attempt ro recover the body from the bottom of the elevator shaft Wednesday evening.
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Fire Department crews try to recover the body.
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Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office staff wheel the body away after 10:00 p.m. Wednesday.
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Contacts with authorities

When reporter Charlie LeDuff got a call about a body lying frozen in an abandoned building, he told police officers, who referred him to 911.
Tuesday
About 5 p.m.: Reporter calls 911 and describes the body's whereabouts.
20 minutes later: Operator calls back asking for more specific directions.
Wednesday
4:43 p.m.: Reporter calls 911, waits and is disconnected.
4:46 p.m.: Calls again and explains that he called yesterday but body is still there.
4:55 p.m.: Fire Department calls back for specific directions and reporter offers to meet at the site.
5 p.m.: Fire Department arrives and the homicide department is called; recovery begins.

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View PostMaybeI'llCatchFire, on Jan 29 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

The body of an unidentified man lies partially submerged in the ice at the bottom of an elevator shaft of the abandoned Roosevelt Warehouse, once used by the Detroit Public Schools as a book repository, Tuesday Jan. 27, 2009. Detroit News reporter Charlie LeDuff received a tip about the body and went to investigate. He reported it to the police in a 911 call. After nearly 24 hours and two more calls to 911, the Fire Department came to investigate and tried to free the corpse.
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Scott Ruben, 38, one of the homeless men living in the building, had noticed the body for weeks but didn't report it.
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Ruben tries to keep warm near a fire in an oil drum not 20 paces from the elevator shaft where the body lay frozen.
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Ruben was asked if he knew who the dead person was. "I don't recognize him from his shoes," he said.
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An unidentified man checks out the open elevator shaft in the warehouse.
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The open elevator shaft in the abandoned warehouse. The building is owned by Matty Moroun, the billionaire trucking and real estate mogul who also owns the Ambassador Bridge and the decrepit Michigan Central Rail Depot next to the warehouse.
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A tip about the body came after a group of explorers playing hockey where frozen water had collected in the basement. The warehouse burned in 1987 and caused something of a scandal as thousands of books, scissors, footballs and crayons were left to rot while Detroit schoolchildren - some of the poorest children in the country - went without supplies.
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Kenneth Williams, 47, said the body had been there at least a month.
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Williams warms his hands over a fire. He did not call the police about the body.
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Detroit EMS, fire and police crews gather at the open elevator shaft before they try to extricate the frozen body on Wednesday, Jan. 28.
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Detroit fire crews attempt ro recover the body from the bottom of the elevator shaft Wednesday evening.
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Fire Department crews try to recover the body.
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Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office staff wheel the body away after 10:00 p.m. Wednesday.
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No ID yet for frozen man
Official says body found in building must thaw before examining further.
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News

DETROIT -- Who the dead man encased in ice is remains a mystery.

The Detroit News reported Thursday that a man had either fallen or was thrown down an elevator shaft in an abandoned building on the city's west side. All that could be seen of the man were his legs jutting out from the ice at the bottom of the shaft. As it happens, many people had seen the legs but failed to report it to authorities.

It took three calls to 911 over 24 hours to have the man extracted.

The man was removed from the ice late Wednesday by a crew of police officers and firefighters using chainsaws, ladders and guide ropes. The rescue crew worked with a rotting freight elevator hanging over their heads and five feet of frigid water beneath the ice.

Almost nothing is known about the man, except that he was indeed a man who wore dark sneakers, fresh white socks, a tan jacket and brown work gloves. He appeared to be about 5 feet 10 inches tall with an average build. Not even his race can be ascertained as his skin was the color of charcoal from frost bite.

"It looks like he fell in," Sgt. Kevin Hanus of the homicide squad said as the man was pulled from his icy tomb. "It's hard to tell for sure; the water and ice are several feet deep. Of course, if the medical examiner discovers foul play then that theory is shot."

An investigator at the Medical Examiner's Office said the man was so thoroughly frozen that no examination could be conducted until the victim thaws, which could be one to three days. Currently, the body sits in a side room on a gurney. He has no name. Just a case number: 09-1098.

In response to the fact that several phone calls were made to 911 over the span of two days before the man was recovered, the Detroit Police Department issued official run sheets from Jan. 27, the night the first calls were made.

According to the run sheets, officers entered the warehouse at 5:14 p.m. and left at 5:56 p.m. This reporter and a photographer were outside the warehouse at those times and saw no police cruiser. The evening was growing dark, however, and the possibility of finding a body inside the warehouse would have been difficult even in daylight conditions.

Still, no emergency responder phoned back for a more exact location of the body, nor does it appear that they followed up Wednesday morning.

Mayor Kenneth Cockrel Jr. said he was not ready to assess blame. "I'm not prepared to say the department completely dropped the ball until I get a complete report ... but clearly they should've been out there sooner," he said.

Michigan's harsh winter has resulted in at least 10 people freezing to death this season.

A 67-year-old Sumpter Township man found frozen to death in his truck this week is believed to have been living in his vehicle because he had no heat or electricity in his house, police said Thursday.

The body of Daniel Hayes Jr. was found Tuesday by metal scrappers passing by his rural home. He was sitting in the driver's seat with the door open and his legs dangling outside -- covered with about 6 inches of snow. Nearby, police found his two dogs, dead in their dog house.

Police believe Hayes may have been dead for about two weeks.

"It looks like (the dogs) may have starved or froze to death because of what happened to him," Detective Sgt. Michael Czinski said. "He was their source, and once he passed away it appears they just starved to death. It's been a pretty brutal winter."

Detroit News Staff Writer Karen Bouffard contributed to this report. You can reach Charlie LeDuff at (313) 222-2071 or charlie@detnews.com.

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To family, frozen man was Johnny
Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News

DETROIT -- The man frozen at the bottom of an abandoned elevator shaft was indeed somebody's child.

For the record, her name was Orlene.

For the record, his name was Johnny. Johnny Redding.

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Redding met his Maker about a month ago, authorities surmise, when he was either pushed or fell down the shaft and came to rest in five feet of water. The weather turned blue, and Redding would become encased in a vault of ice, his shoes and shins protruding out.

The world became shocked to learn that people knew that Redding lay below and yet carried on with their own games and grievances, not bothering to inform the authorities. Eventually, someone with a heart called this reporter. Once located, two dozen police officers and firefighters working with chainsaws and guide rope extricated the body.

A wallet was found on the corpse. The identification told investigators the barest of facts. Johnny Redding. 56-years-old. City of residence: River Rouge.

They know little else. Whether his was death by misadventure or by the hand of another man remains a mystery.

"He is still too frozen to even take fingerprints," said Vanessa Dehna- Garmo, spokeswoman for the Wayne County medical examiner.

The address in the wallet leads back to the small Cape Cod in River Rouge, once owned by his mother and now owned by his brother Homer, who along with his sister, Lillian Warren, identified the body this evening.

Homer Redding, 59, was saddened but not surprised by his little brother's death. According to him, Johnny was a soft-hearted man who fell into a hard world and could never extricate himself from it, no matter how hard he tried. Johnny was infected with the need for drugs and alcohol. Rundown buildings were his clubhouse.

"He chose the life for whatever reason," Redding said. "But he wasn't homeless. Please don't call him homeless. He always had a place to go. He was loved."

Johnny Redding, according to his brother and sister, was one of those men who bounced from odd-job to couch to the homeless mission and back. He lived with his mother in River Rouge, the same house he was raised in until she died two years ago.

It wasn't always this way for Johnny. He worked until he was 40 at a local steel mill along side of his father. Then Johnny's brother Marion died of an overdose.

"That's when I seen the change," Homer said. "He was very close to Marion."

Johnny began to ping-pong in life. He would do odd jobs: gardening, plumbing, anything to get him through. When he couldn't get through, he would insinuate himself on his sister's couch and then insinuated himself on his brother's couch and then feeling better, he would get lost again.

"Last time I saw him was in September for his birthday," Homer said. "It was alright. I haven't seen him since."

If the outpouring of phone calls and letters are any indication, then the life and sad end of Johnny Redding reminds us that even the dirtiest life has value. There are many Johnnys out there: Victor, Kenneth, Terrence your loved ones are asking about you.

And if you should judge Johnny Redding harshly, his brother Homer said, remember that no man deserves to go ignored at the bottom of an elevator shaft.

"We've got to live in the world together," Homer said. "And we got to care about each other."

You can reach Charlie LeDuff at (313) 222-2071 or charlie@detnews.com.

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Thanks for posting the stories, ATF. This is so sad, it breaks my heart. Everyday I read the news and see that people are suffering, especially this winter. No power because it's been shut off and an old man freezes to death. Another man dies in his truck for the same reason, and his two dogs die as well. Coatsville, PA residents homeless because some maniac is burning their homes down. It's horrible.

Today I picked up a hitchhiker who was struggling down the highway with a full 5 gallon can of gas. He is living in his motorhome and had fallen asleep with the motor running so the heat was on and ran out of gas. I took him about 22 miles out of my way back to his motorhome with his gas (when he went to go get the gas he walked a good ways before someone picked him up). His wife and dog were outside the motorhome waiting for him when we arrived.

In Arizona it's not like it is on the other side of the USA; today we had temps in the 60s. But still, struggling with a full gas can in the wind sucks. And when I picked him up he still had a good 15 miles or so to walk.

I'm glad I was able to deliver him and his gas to his motorhome, wife and dog.
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Chaindrive, that just proves you have some heart where others don't.

Its sad that I have to report these things, but the URBEX community needs to know.

And please, if anyone ever finds themselves in a situation like above, where you find someone in a building, please report it. This could have been anyone down there, even another explorer.
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Overdose Cited In Frozen Man's Death
Medical Examiner Says Man Found In Warehouse Died From Cocaine

POSTED: Saturday, January 31, 2009
UPDATED: 8:26 am EST February 13, 2009



DETROIT -- The man whose body was found frozen in a chunk of ice at the bottom of an elevator shaft in Detroit died from a cocaine overdose, the Wayne County Medical Examiner's Office confirmed Thursday.

On Jan. 28, firefighters and police used portable jackhammers and saws to free the body of 56-year-old John Redding of River Rouge. He was found submerged in ice from his knees up in an elevator shaft inside the abandoned Roosevelt Warehouse in Detroit.

An autopsy that had been done days after Redding's body was found showed no signs of trauma, the medical examiner's office said. The final results had been pending toxicology reports.

Redding's family came forward to identify him and said he worked odd jobs and often lived with relatives, though sometimes he took to the streets.

"Shock and surprise, I was hoping they had the wrong person," said Redding's brother, Homer Redding.

"To see my brother there, I couldn't stand to look at his face," said Redding's sister, Lillian. "I had been asking about him lately, I had concern about him."

Both said they had not seen him in months.

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What amazes me though, is that cities say they have no money for education, homeless, struggling families.

BUT!

The same cities have millions for new stadiums, arenas, etc!
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I think I saw that in one of the articles I read.

I think.
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This kind of thing definately needs to be reported. I mean, it's called an anonymous tip from a freakin payphone. Really sad...

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View Postcolumind99, on May 7 2009, 12:56 AM, said:

If you know the UE group in question, you'd know they wouldn't bother. They live to destroy places and steal.

I think I know the UE group in question. They're quite prominent in the area and they leave their tags everywhere.

Do you know who it is? if so, can I PM you with my answer and see if I'm right?
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Gah, tags.

Ugh.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. This man has made it on a TV show.

"Iceman/Malibu".

Detroit 1 8 7. Episode 11.

Watch it.

If you can't find it, I can pass it to you somehow.
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View PostChaindrive, on 03 February 2011 - 12:28 AM, said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa. This man has made it on a TV show.

"Iceman/Malibu".

Detroit 1 8 7. Episode 11.

Watch it.

If you can't find it, I can pass it to you somehow.

Heres a link to the episode on Hulu

This is the warehouse where the body was found. I am not sure if it was where D187 was filmed. I doubt it, I think D187 was filmed at the either the Fischer Body or Packard plant.

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Thanks for the link. A quick search didn't tell me where it was filmed.
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